Interviews 201 - 210

Each Guide entry contains information about an interview, including biographical data about the interviewee (name, vital dates, dates at the UW-Madison, and principal positions held as of the interview date), information about the interview (interviewer, year conducted, length, and series, transcript, and restriction information if applicable), and a list of key topics discussed in the interview. For more detailed information about an interview, or to obtain a copy of an interview contact the Oral History Program.


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201.   BREE, Germaine  (1907-2001 )
Professor of French
At UW: 1960-1973

Interviewed: 1981 Length: 3 hours
Interviewer: Donna Hartshorne
Background in France and England; Bryn Mawr; Teaching in Algeria; Experiences in G2 during WWII; New York University; Languages and teaching; Reasons for coming to UW; Institute for Research in Humanities; Attraction of UW for women; Women's Studies; Anti-war movement; French Department; Albert Camus; Current activities.

202.   KLEENE, Stephen C.  (1909-1994 )
Professor of Mathematics; Dean of College of Letters and Science
At UW: 1935-1979

Interviewed: 1981 Length: 4 hours
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Decision to accept deanship; Art of deaning; Issues during deanship; Dean's papers; Affirmative action; Power of faculty; Background and early work in mathematics; UW Mathematics Department in 1930s; Period at Amherst; Return to UW and Department chairmanship; Mathematics Research Center; Planning Van Vleck Hall; High-rise concept; Changes in Department in 1960s; Rudolph Langer; Mervin Muller; Department and Mathematics Research Center; Issue of applied mathematics; Department and computer sciences; More on deanship; Faculty Council; Westside Campus Committee; Afro-American Studies Department; Faculty governance.

203.   LAMPMAN, Robert J.  (1920-1997 )
Undergraduate and Graduate Student; Professor of Economics
At UW: 1938-1942; 1946-1947; 1955-1987

First Interview
Interviewed: 1981 Length: 5 hours Transcript: 191 pages
Series: Poverty Institute
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Working in Washington, D.C. in 1960s; His background; UW Committee on Problems of Poverty; Establishing Institute for Research on Poverty; Relations with SSRI; Guy Orcutt; Staffing Poverty Institute; IRRI; Working with OEO; Mathematics Research Center as model for Poverty Institute; Work in Milwaukee; History of Poverty Institute; NAS evaluation of Institute; Issues regarding computer use; Economics Department during Stephen Kleene's deanship; Issues in Department; Area studies and programs abroad; Research and writing; Faculty wives.
Second Interview
Interviewed: 1985 Length: 2 hours Transcript: 191 pages
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Undergraduate experience at UW; Graduate work in economics at UW under Selig Perlman and Edwin Witte; Lasting influence of John R. Commons on Economics Department and on Lampman's career; Instructorship at University of Washington; Work for National Bureau of Economic Research and for Kennedy administration; Unpopularity of his methods and interests among current graduate students.
Third Interview
Interviewed: 1985 Length: 1.5 hours  
Series: Department of Economics
Interviewer: Julie Nelson
Chairmanship; Everett Hawkins's appointment and economic development; Recruitment policy; Move to new building; Administrative staff; TAs; Ford fellowship program; Optimism regarding economics in early 1960s; Changing emphases in Economics Department; Department's leadership in industrial relations; Guy Orcutt; Naming Social Science Building; Consequences of expanding faculty; Adoption of three-year chairmanships; Impact of austerity budget in 1970s; Protest era; Principles of Department governance; Controversy over IRRI, 1974-75; Theoreticians in Department; "Lake Mendota effect"; Turnover in 1970s.



Fourth Interview
Interviewed: 1987 Length: 1½ hours  
Interviewer: Amy Fried

Educational background; Labor economics; Industrial Relations Center (IRC) and the Industrial Relations Research Institute (IRRI); Economics department; Relationship between the IRC/IRRI and the economics department; Attempts to departmentalize the IRRI.

Note: Transcript includes first two interviews.


204.   DAVID, Martin H.  (1935- )
Professor of Economics
At UW: 1961-

Interviewed: 1981 Length: 2 hours
Series: Poverty Institute
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Origins of SSRI and its structure; Guy Orcutt's efforts to improve computer capability on campus; Different uses of computers by physicists and social scientists; Ford Foundation and SSRI; Directorship of SSRI; Origins of Data and Computing Center; Issues of accountability and accessibility in computer use; Survey Research Center; Center for Demography and Human Ecology; Poverty Institute's competition with SSRI; Negative Income Tax Experiment; Poverty Institute's use of computers; Mervin Muller; Criteria for buying computer; Computing charges.

205.   PENN, Raymond  (1911-1982 )
Graduate Student; Professor of Agricultural Economics
At UW: 1937-1941; 1946-1974

Interviewed: 1981 Length: 2.5 hours
Interviewer: Douglas Yanggen
Development of water law before 1949; Issues in building dams; Cranberry growers' concerns; Ground water issues; University irrigation research; Governor Oscar Rennebohm's statement on water policy; 1949 seminar on water law with Jacob Beuscher and Vernon Carstensen; Influence on legislation; Subsequent developments; Shorelines zoning; Farm organizations and water law; Wisconsin Valley Improvement Company; Need for zoning; University faculty involved in Natural Resources Committee of State Agencies; Land Tenure Center.

206.   ROBINSON, Arthur H.  (1915-2004 )
Professor of Geography
At UW: 1936-1938; 1945-1980

Interviewed: 1981 Length: 4 hours
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Background; Work before coming to UW; Geography Department in 1940s; Formation of Meteorology Department; Turning geography into science; Replacement of regional studies; Development of area studies; Use of computers; His role in developing quantitative geography; Use of computers for cartographic problems; Setting up Cartographic Laboratory; Initial opposition to it; Course requirements for cartographers; Art in cartography; Business arrangements; Institute for Environmental Studies; TA Strike of 1970; Tripp Commons and University Club; Athletic Board; Committee on Student Conduct and Appeals; Mapping in Wisconsin.

207.   PUESTOW, Karver L.  (1897-1989 )
Undergraduate Student; Professor of Medicine
At UW: 1915-1919; 1922-1968

Interviewed: 1981 Length: 8 hours
Interviewer: Donna Hartshorne
Background and education; UW Student Health Service; Infirmary; Growth of Medical School; University Hospital; Outpatient department; Emergency rooms; Medical School facilities; Teaching and patient care; Patient costs; Medical specialization; Medical School deans; UW presidents; Family practice; Community clinics; Doctors for rural areas; VA Hospital; UW Hospital superintendents; Soliciting money from Legislature for Medical School and hospital expansion; Board of Regents; Locating new Clinical Science Center; Clinical vs. basic sciences; WARF Building; Highlights in history of medicine; Slavic Languages Department; John R. Commons's social legislation; Unique biological laboratories; Anthony Curreri and cancer treatment; Faculty bargaining.

208.   SMOLENSKY, Eugene  (1932- )
Professor of Economics; Director of Institute for Research on Poverty
At UW: 1968-1989

Interviewed: 1982 Length: 1 hour
Series: Poverty Institute
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Reasons for joining Poverty Institute; Institute funding; Directors; Use of post-doctoral students; Prevalence of economists; Relations with SSRI; Changes in emphases in economics in 1960s and 1970s; High morale of Department in 1960s; Directorship of Poverty Institute; Relations with Washington, D.C.; NAS evaluation; Computing on campus; Future of Poverty Institute; Its contributions.

209.   HANSEN, W. Lee  (1928- )
Undergraduate and Graduate Student; Professor of Economics
At UW: 1946-1950; 1954-1955; 1965-1996

First Interview
Interviewed: 1982 Length: 5 hours
Series: Poverty Institute
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Background; Economics Department in late 1940s; People in economics in 1960s; Issues in Department; Origins of Poverty Institute; Its directors; Hiring Guy Orcutt; SSRI; Hansen's efforts to improve teaching; Chairmanship; Dealings with Dean Stephen Kleene; Impact of Ford Foundation fellowship program and its failure; Recruitment in early 1970s; Affirmative action; Effect of anti-war movement on Department; TAs in Economics Department; Character of Department; Gajah Mada project; Emphases in economics in 1970s; Department ranking; Recruitment of minorities.
Second Interview
Interviewed: 1987 Length: 1¼ hours
Interviewer: Amy Fried
Educational background; Industrial Relations Research Institute; Departmentalization; Tenure-granting authority; Graduate student funding; Curriculum; Student recruitment; Center for Vocational Education.
Third Interview
Interviewed: 2004 Length: ¾ hours
Interviewer: Charlotte Frascona
Educational and career background; Dissertation; Industrial Relations Research Institute (IRRI); Tenure-granting authority; Strengths and weaknesses of the IRRI; Closure of the IRRI.
Fourth Interview
Interviewed: 2005 Length: 1 hour
Interviewer: Bruce Weinberg
Development of human capital theory; Labor economics; Health economics; Decline
in interest in human capital theory.

210.   HAVEMAN, Robert  (1936- )
Professor of Economics; Director of Institute for Research on Poverty
At UW: 1970-2002

Interviewed: 1982 Length: 1 hour Transcript: 26 pages
Series: Poverty Institute
Interviewer: Laura Smail
Work in Washington, D.C.; Appointment as director of Poverty Institute; NAS evaluation; OEO's criticisms of Institute; Changes in organization of Institute; Funding issues; Growing staff allegiance to Institute; Impact of staffing on Economics Department hiring.


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